#14 – Robert Lustig, M.D., M.S.L.: fructose, processed food, NAFLD, and changing the food system
Summary

In this podcast episode, host Peter Atia speaks with Dr. Rob Lustig about the impact of sugar and processed foods on health. They discuss the differences between glucose and fructose, with fructose being a vestigial storage form of energy in plants and causing a faster browning reaction than glucose. Fructose causes proteins to become less flexible and throws off reactive oxygen species, leading to inflammation and other health issues. Fructose also does not decrease the hunger hormone ghrelin, leading to overconsumption. While glucose is metabolized in the brain, fructose lights up the reward center and induces the same physiology in the brain as hedonic substances.

The context also discusses biomarkers for fructose consumption, such as uric acid and ALT, and how they can indicate sugar consumption and liver fat. The upper limit for normal ALT has increased over the years due to the rise in fatty liver disease. Fructose can replete liver glycogen faster than glucose, but this is only relevant for liver glycogen and not muscle glycogen. The conversation then shifts to the potential epigenetic effects of metabolic transformations, particularly in children, and the importance of a healthy food environment.

The discussion touches on the desensitization of taste buds and dopamine receptors, the dangers of cocaine use, and the effects of ethanol on the brain. The similarities between ethanol and fructose in the liver are briefly mentioned, but their effects on the brain are not discussed. The context discusses how different substances and behaviors impact dopamine in the brain, leading to addiction and tolerance.

The speaker argues that fructose consumption is disproportionately driving the increase in NAFLD, as de novo lipogenesis has increased while dietary fat has decreased. The speaker also discusses the relationship between insulin resistance and NAFLD, as well as the different pathways of metabolic syndrome. Finally, he shares insights he has gained from wearing a continuous glucose monitor and an aura ring.

The context discusses the relationship between respiratory rate, sympathetic tone, and glucose levels in the body. It explains how liver dysfunction caused by cytokines from visceral fat or primary hepatic dysfunction can lead to increased hepatic glucose output, insulin resistance, and hyperinsulinemia. This, in turn, can cause chronic metabolic diseases such as diabetes, heart disease, and cancer. The discussion highlights the importance of decreasing insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia through dietary changes rather than relying on drugs that increase insulin. The conversation also touches upon the food industry's misconception that all calories contribute equally to adiposity and insulin resistance, which is not true. Fiber plays a crucial role in preventing the absorption of calories and feeding gut bacteria, which is essential for maintaining good gut health.